Sunday, December 30, 2007

Sock puppets and pseudonyms

Eli is a pseudonym, a cute one, but a pseudonym none the less. However, it has come to the attention of the legal department at Bunny Labs that ill mannered folk are calling Eli a sock puppet. A sock puppet is

1: A fake personality, usually a 'friend' or 'sister,' created by a drama queen/king for the sake of defending him/herself against others in an online forum.

2: Someone who might be an actual person but behaves like the above, defending someone who really deserves no defense.

After mskyootie44 left the board in a snit, she made a sock puppet claiming to be her sister that told us we should all be ashamed of how mean we were because mskyootie was cutting herself in the bathroom.

FWIW, a drama queen is

Someone who turns something unimportant into a major deal. Someone who blows things way out of proportion when ever the chance is given.

"Oh my god! You copied that without giving the other person credit! That is just mean. You're horrible, don't talk to me. Im gonna go tell everyone what a cruel person you are just so they will pay attention to me and think im cool.
Deltoid has nice examples of drama queens posing as sock puppets. Eli is neither


**Oh yeah for the drama queens, the bunny is from Save on Crafts

Friday, December 28, 2007

Just in case anyone cares

Although this may appear obscure, and remember you are reading words written by a Rabett so don't complain, in view of recent events (the silly, not the tragic), we point our reader to a Classic Rabbet Run Post establishing the virtues of pseudonyms and the nature of blogs

Wednesday, December 26, 2007

Ethon visits the 400 Club

Eli sent Ethon out looking for the lesser known members of the 400 Club. Our far flung correspondent Cyberchrome relays the report that

"TV Weathermen is one thing but TV Gardeners???

Ask anyone from the UK if Alan Titchmarsh qualifies as a prominent scientist and you'll be met with the smile of one indulging a naive child. He's a popular guy, best known for hosting the weekly 'Gardener's World' TV program and writing popular novels and memoirs ('Trowel and Error' geddit?). The proposition that he acts as a counter to the IPCC and the scientific concensus, with his Diploma in Horticulture and honorary degrees, reveals the depth of the desparation over there in the contrarian corner."

http://www.alantitchmarsh.com/about.asp
  • Alan Titchmarsh was born and brought up on the edge of Ilkley Moor in Yorkshire and started growing things at the age of ten in his parents’ back garden. He left school at fifteen and became an apprentice gardener in the local nursery, following this with full time training at horticultural college and the royal Botanic Gardens, Kew.
UPDATE: The 400 Club has at least two more TV gardeners. In the comments from N3xus6 comes word that:
Don Burke had the most famous gardening show over here in Oz for years and he's now a front for an IPA astroturfing operation, the Australian Environment Foundation
CORRECTION: Different Don Burke. Our Don Burke is the Dean of Pittsburgh's School of Public Health. Burke
noted that the 2001 study found that weather fluctuation and seasonal variability may influence the spread of infectious disease. But he also noted that such conclusions should be interpreted with caution.

"There are no apocalyptic pronouncements," Burke said. "There's an awful lot we don't know."

Burke said he is not convinced that climate change can be proven to cause the spread of many diseases, specifically naming dengue fever, influenza, and West Nile virus.

But Paul R. Epstein, associate director of the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School, said clusters of disease outbreaks spread by water, mosquitoes, and rats could clearly be traced to global warming.

And Not Lubos Motl (LM) mentions that
Another alleged environmentalist, geologist and gardening expert is Bruno Wiskel. For a good laugh or cry watch his presentation "The Sky is Not Falling - Debunking the Myths of Global Warming"
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Now Eli has nothing against Master Gardiner (and garden journalist) Titchmarsh who he would cheerfully invite to give us tips about the carrot patch, but this is too much. The 400 Club is a rerun of "Being There" and although Mr. Titchmarsh is far from the empty shell that Chance the Gardiner was we can listen to the dialog that ran through Inhofe and Morano's heads when they nominated him to the 400:
Senator Inhofe: Mr. Gardner, do you agree with Marc, or do you think that we can stimulate growth through temperature incentives?
[Long pause]
Chance the Gardiner: As long as the roots are not severed, all is well. And all will be well in the garden.
Senator Inhofe: In the garden.
Chance the Gardener: Yes. In the garden, growth has it seasons. First comes spring and summer, but then we have fall and winter. And then we get spring and summer again.
Senator Inhofe: Spring and summer.
Chance the Gardener: Yes.
Senator Inhofe: Then fall and winter.
Chance the Gardener: Yes.
Marc Morano: I think what our insightful young friend is saying is that we welcome the inevitable seasons of nature, but we're upset by the predictions of science.
Senator Inhofe: Yes! There will be growth in the spring!
Marc Morano: Hmm!
Chance the Gardener: Hmm!
Senator Inhofe: Hm. Well, Mr. Gardner, I must admit that is one of the most refreshing and optimistic statements I've heard in a very, very long time.
[Marc Morano applauds]
Senator Inhofe: I admire your good, solid sense. That's precisely what we lack on Capitol Hill.
So the question is why did this farce get swallowed whole by the main stream media, and yes, that means you Andy Revkin.

Tuesday, December 25, 2007

The Dessler 20


Eli spent some time going through the membership list of the 400 Club to find those that could give our young contender, Andrew Dessler, a workout. Andy is itching for a debate, even after the pug he was scheduled to flatten didn't show. Sad to say the Rabett could only come up with about 20 full time US denialists. Canada provides a few wetbacks (Update: Eli is informed the proper term of art is) loons and for the price of an intercontinental first class fare there are some from overseas, but my oh my, the roadkill list is long. Your lists may vary, and we are prepared to listen to suggestions.

  1. Dr. Sallie Baliunas, astrophysicist and climate researcher, Boston, Mass.
  2. Dr. Reid Bryson, the founding chairman of the Department of Meteorology at University of Wisconsin (now the Department of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences
  3. Dr. John Christy of the University of Alabama in Huntsville and NASA
  4. Joseph D'Aleo served as the first Director of Meteorology at The Weather Channel.
  5. David Deming, PhD (Geophysics), Associate Professor, College of Arts and Sciences, University of Oklahoma, U.S. 3
  6. Robert Durrenberger, past president of the American Association of State Climatologists
  7. Dr. Hugh W. Ellsaesser, physicist/meteorologist, previously with the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Calif.; atmospheric consultant.
  8. Dr. Oliver W. Frauenfeld, a co-author of the 2005 book Shattered Consensus: The True State of Global Warming and a research scientist at the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences Division of Cryospheric and Polar Processes at the University of Colorado
  9. Dr. William Gray, Emeritus Professor of Atmospheric Science at Colorado State University (CSU), and head of the schools Tropical Meteorology Project 3
  10. Douglas V. Hoyt, senior scientist at Raytheon (retired) and co-author of the book The Role of the Sun in Climate Change; previously with NCAR, NOAA, and the World Radiation Center, Davos, Switzerland 2
  11. Craig D. Idso, PhD, Chairman, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Arizona, U.S.
  12. David R. Legates, PhD, Director, Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware, U.S. 2
  13. Richard S. Lindzen, PhD, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Dept. of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, U.S. 3
  14. Dr. Patrick J. Michaels, professor of environmental sciences, University of Virginia 2
  15. R. Timothy Patterson, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology), Carleton University, Canada 4
  16. William E. Reifsnyder Meteorologist Forestry, Yale
  17. S. Fred Singer, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia and former director, U.S. Weather Satellite Service 4
  18. Dr. Willie Soon Harvard-Smithsonian Center Astrophysicist
  19. Roy W. Spencer, PhD, climatologist, Principal Research Scientist, Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville, U.S. 3
  20. Mr. George Taylor, Dept. of Meteorology, Oregon State University; Oregon State climatologist; past president, American Association of State Climatologists 3
Roadkill
  1. Bjarne Andresen, PhD, physicist, Professor, The Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
  2. Dr. Nils-Axel Morner, emeritus professor of paleogeophysics & geodynamics, Stockholm University, Stockholm, Sweden
  3. Dennis Avery's 2006 book, Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1500 Years
  4. Dr. Jack Barrett, chemist and spectroscopist, formerly with Imperial College London, U.K.
  5. Ernst-Georg Beck, Dipl. Biol., Biologist, Merian-Schule Freiburg, Germany 3
  6. Dr. Edward F Blick, Professor of Meteorology and Engineering at University of Oklahoma
  7. Dr. John Brignell is a UK Emeritus Engineering Professor of Northampton Engineering College who held the Chair in Industrial Instrumentation at Southampton and was awarded the Callendar Silver Medal by InstMC
  8. Piers Corbyn Astrophysicist of the UK based long-term solar forecast group Weather Action
  9. Richard S. Courtney, PhD, climate and atmospheric science consultant, IPCC 4
  10. Tim Curtin, Economist a former advisor with the EU, World bank, and an Emeritus Faculty member of Australian National University
  11. Eduardo Ferreyra, president and founder of the Argentinean Foundation for a Scientific Ecology
  12. Freeman J. Dyson, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, N.J., U.S.
  13. Christopher Essex, PhD, Professor of Applied Mathematics and Associate Director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario, Canada
  14. Gerhard Gerlich, Professor for Mathematical and Theoretical Physics, Institut für Mathematische Physik der TU Braunschweig, Germany
  15. Vincent Gray, PhD, expert reviewer for the IPCC and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of 'Climate Change 2001,' Wellington, New Zealand
  16. Warwick Hughes, a New Zealand earth scientist living in Perth
  17. Keith. Idso, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Arizona, U.S.
  18. Sherwood B. Idso, PhD, President, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, AZ, USA
  19. Zbigniew Jaworowski, PhD, physicist, Chairman - Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland
  20. Madhav Khandekar, PhD, former Research Scientist Environment Canada; Editor "Climate Research" (03-05); Editorial Board Member "Natural Hazards, IPCC Expert Reviewer 2007
  21. L.F. Khilyuk of the University of Southern California
  22. Marcel Leroux, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Climatology, University of Lyon, France; former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, CNRS 4
  23. Dr. Jennifer Marohasy, Biologist who has been a field biologist in remote parts of Africa and Madagascar and published in international and Australian scientific journals
  24. John McLean, Climate Data Analyst, computer scientist, Melbourne, Australia 3
  25. Alan Moghissi of the Institute for Regulatory Science
  26. Lord Christopher Monckton, the Viscount Monckton of Brenchley
  27. Lubos Motl, PhD, physicist, former Harvard string theorist, Charles University, Prague, Czech Republic
  28. Dr Benny Peiser, professor of social anthropology, Faculty of Science, Liverpool John Moores University, U.K.
  29. Dr. Art Robinson, founder, Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, Cave Junction, Ore.
  30. Dr. Oleg Sorochtin of the Institute of Oceanology at the Russian Academy of Sciences
  31. Dr. Ralf D. Tscheuschner
  32. Edward J. Wegman, Bernard J. Dunn Professor, Department of Statistics and Department Computational and Data Sciences, George Mason University, Virginia, U.S.
Why no Landsea, Pielke, etc., well while they are no fans of the IPCC their positions on whether people are changing the climate are equivocal.

The 700 Club Minus 300
Or faith based climatology

Simon Donner at Maribo has a pretty good take down of the 400 Club, being composed of "IPCC expert reviewers", "weather experts" and "peer reviewed" scientists. Simon carefully explains why those are giggle quotes. To give you a taste of Maribo's Christmas Pudding

Climate change “skepticism” began with an industry-funded effort to question the science. It has since morphed into questioning whether the effects of climate change would really be so bad, a move I call the Smiling Lomborg.

Sunday, December 23, 2007

Makin a list, checkin it twice


for those who have been sideswiped as well as the charter members of the Morano Denialist Society 400, or as Stoat would put it, the complete Nutters List. Some of these folk are entirely innocent and have been sandbagged by Morano, Richard Tol is one, Ray Kurzweil is another, there are more, esp the economists, but Eli thought he would simply put out the list. The descriptions are from Morano. The numbers at the end of a line are the number of different references to a person on the list. The folk at Desmogblog are already chewing it over. Eli will be slicing and dicing at the deli this week. You can find the TV weather folk tranch at OISM's Baby also a nice poster you can put on your wall.

UPDATE: Bunny Labs is expanding the project to provide informative (and amusing) links with information about the listed. Send your entries to Eli B. Rabett, c/o Bunny Labs, West Sockpuppet Lane, Climate Climax, NO. OTOH, it's easier and more effective to simply place a comment below.
UPDATE:
There appear to be two versions on the EPW site with minor differences, probably due to the chaotic nature of document. The first version is here and the second is here. For example, Roger Pielke Sr. is on the first list and not the second. That, at least is the current situation but who knows which is the official one. (Some changes made in the text to accomodate the fact that there are innocents on the list).

1. Dr. Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of Space Research for the Pulkovo Observatory in Russia
2. Professor Tom Addiscott of the University of East London SA - Retired from Rothamsted Experimental Station, was visiting professor at UEL. Well published in soil science. Professor is a stretch. One of the emeriti
3. Alexandre Aguiar Meteorologist of Brazil's MetSul Weather Center
4. Don Aitkin, PhD, Professor, social scientist, educational and cultural policy issues, retired Vice-Chancellor and President, University of Canberra, Australia one of the emeriti
5. Dr. Syun-Ichi Akasofu, the former director of both University of Alaska Fairbanks' Geophysical Institute and International Arctic Research Center 2, one of the emeriti
6. David Aldrich Meteorologist TV Philadelphia
7. Kjell Aleklett of the Department of Radiation Sciences and the Uppsala Hydrocarbon Depletion Study Group at Uppsala University in Sweden - Thinks we have reached peak hydrocarbon production and do not have enough left to increase CO2 much more. This is a very iconoclastic opinion. Death by cold guy
8. William J.R. Alexander, PhD, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa; Member, UN Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters, 1994-2000 3 One of the emeriti
9. Dr. Claude Allegre, a top Geophysicist and French Socialist 2, link from Logical Science
10. Chris Allen Meteorologist of Kentucky Fox affiliate WBKO, link from Andy Dessler.
11. Bjarne Andresen, PhD, physicist, Professor, The Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, Denmark 2 and a member of there is no global temperature crowd
12. David Archibald of Summa Development Limited in Australia who published a paper in Energy and Environment is taken apart by David Archer
13. Scott Armstrong of the Wharton School at the Ivy League University of Pennsylvania whose Energy and Environment paper (you can watch the movie) was torn apart on Real Climate. Armstrong is another one who believes in different rules for him.
14. Dr. August H. Auer, past professor of atmospheric science, University of Wyoming. Prof. Auer passed in the spring of 2008 previously chief meteorologist, Meteorological Service (MetService) of New Zealand 3. Member of the NZ Climate Science Coalition. One of the seriously emeriti
15. Geoff L. Austin, PhD, FNZIP, FRSNZ, Professor, Dept. of Physics, University of Auckland, New Zealand
16. Dennis Avery's flack see this link for a description of methods. 2006 book, Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1500 Years, has been described as Unstoppable Hot Air on Real Climate
17. Dr. Nils-Axel Morner, emeritus professor of paleogeophysics & geodynamics, Stockholm University, Stockholm, Sweden 2 Dowsing proponent. One of the emeriti
18. Donald G. Baker of the University of Minnesota. One of the emeriti
19. Dr. Herbert Backhaus Signer of the Climate Manifest of Heiligenroth No profession given in the signing list, picture at web site.
20. Frederick Bailey, Solar system researcher? Perhaps this (computer game designer) Frederick Bailey or this one (student project on Cassini)
21. Dr. Sallie Baliunas, astrophysicist and climate researcher, Boston, Mass. A good description of her climate related work from Logical Science and where we trace down the $52K she got for participating in the Oregon Deception Project
22. Timothy F. Ball, PhD, environmental consultant, former climatology professor, University of Winnipeg, Canada 3 Some additional links in the comments, but this story belongs to DeSmogBlog (just search under Tim Ball)
23. Don Barron Soil scientist
24. Dr. Jack Barrett, chemist and spectroscopist, formerly with Imperial College London, U.K. 2 SA. No experience in climate science, your basic solution phase analytical chemist. Wrote one of the first denialist articles published in the scientific literature and was torn apart. One of the emeriti
25. Vladimir Bashkirtsev, of the Institute of Solar-Terrestrial Physics of the Siberian Division of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
26. Steve Baskerville CBS Chicago affiliate Chief Meteorologist has a BA in communication from Temple and a certificate (1 yr course) in weather broadcasting from Mississippi State in 2006.
27. Dr. Franco Battaglia, a professor of Environmental Chemistry at the University of Modena in Italy
28. Ernst-Georg Beck, Diplom (eq. of MS) Biol., Biologist, Merian-Schule Freiburg, a secondary school biology teacher who has collated old CO2 measurements but has no idea about the problems and errors in many of them.
29. Gary S. Becker, Nobel Prize-winning Economist who is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and University Professor of Economics and Sociology at the University of Chicago. Accepts climate change is human driven, argues about discount rate (Stern, not IPCC critic)
30. Paul G. Becker, a former chief meteorologist with the Air Force and former Colorado Springs chapter president of the American Meteorological Society. Only mention appears to be a letter he wrote to a small paper (see link).
31. Dr. David Bellamy, Botanist, a famed UK environmental campaigner, former lecturer at Durham University. A revealing letter exchange with George Monbiot pointed out by S2 in the comments
32. Dieter Ber; The Climate Manifest of Heiligenroth
33. Justin Berk Meteorologist asserted that the "majority of TV meteorologists". BS in meteorology from Cornell
34. Andre and Sally Bernier Meteorologists of WJW-TV, in Cleveland, Ohio. Andre has a BS in Meteorology from Lyndon State College,
35. Dr. Edward F Blick, Professor of Meteorology and Engineering at University of Oklahoma
36. Peter Bloemers, professor of biochemistry, University of Nijmegen NL
37. Sonja A. Boehmer-Christiansen, PhD, Reader, Dept. of Geography, Hull University, UK; Editor, Energy & Environment journal 4 SA
38. Chris C. Borel, PhD, remote sensing scientist, U.S.
39. Dr. Norman Borlaug, known as the father of the "Green Revolution" for saving over a billion people from starvation by utilizing pioneering high yield farming techniques, is one of only five people in history who has been awarded a Nobel Peace Prize, the Presidential Medal of Freedom and the Congressional Gold Medal
40. Paul Bossert; The Climate Manifest of Heiligenroth
41. Brigitte Bossert; The Climate Manifest of Heiligenroth
42. Daniel Botkin, President of the Center for the Study of the Environment and Professor Emeritus in the department of Ecology, Evolution, and Marine Biology at the University of California
43. Helgo Bran; The Climate Manifest of Heiligenroth Dr. John W. Brosnahan develops remote-sensing instruments for atmospheric science for such clients as NOAA
44. Dr. Simon Brassell, of the Department of Geological Sciences at the Indiana University
45. Dr. John Brignell is a UK Emeritus Engineering Professor of Northampton Engineering College who held the Chair in Industrial Instrumentation at Southampton and was awarded the Callendar Silver Medal by InstMC
46. Frank Britton Chemist
47. Adriaan Broere, an engineer and geophysicist, worked in satellite technology NL
48. Bob Breck Chief Meteorologist of WVUE-TV in New Orleans
49. Dr. David B Bredenkamp, Hydrogeologist
50. Georgia D. Brown, an instructor of Geology & Oceanography at College of Lake County in Illinois
51. Harold Brown, an agricultural scientist and professor emeritus at the University of Georgia
52. Donald S. Burke, The Dean of Pittsburgh's Graduate School of Public Health, **
53. Dr. Reid Bryson, the founding chairman of the Department of Meteorology at University of Wisconsin (now the Department of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences 2
54. Dr. Tony Burns Chemical Engineer of the University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia
55. Nigel Calder, former editor of New Scientist
56. Dan Carruthers, M.Sc., wildlife biology consultant specializing in animal ecology in Arctic and Subarctic regions, Alberta, Canada
57. Dr. Robert.M. Carter, professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia 4 Lots of links and stuff over at Logical Sciences
58. John L. Casey of the Florida based Verity Management Services Inc. (VMS) NASA consultant and former space shuttle engineer
59. Dr. Christopher L. Castro, a Professor of the Department of Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Arizona **
60. Dr. George Chilingar, USC
61. Tom Chisholm Chief Meteorologist of WMTW ABC Portland, Maine
62. Dr. John Christy of the University of Alabama in Huntsville and NASA
63. Dr. Petr Chylek, adjunct professor, Dept. of Physics and Atmospheric Science, Dalhousie University, Halifax 2
64. Jim Clark Meteorologist TV
65. Ian D. Clark, PhD, Professor, isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology, Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa, Canada 3
66. Roy Clark Aeronautical engineer made a presentation at an American Chemical Society meeting in Redlands, California,
67. W. Dennis Clark of Arizona State University
68. Robert Cohen, a member of the American Meteorological Society
69. John Coleman, Meteorologist Founder of The Weather Channel
70. Dennis Compayre Polar bear expert **
71. Joseph Conklin Meteorologist
72. Dr. Paul Copper, FRSC, professor emeritus, Dept. of Earth Sciences, Laurentian University, Sudbury, Ont.
73. Piers Corbyn Astrophysicist of the UK based long-term solar forecast group Weather Action
74. Dr. Paulo N. Correa Biologist and Biophysicist
75. Larry Cosgrove Meteorologist said on Fox News Channel
76. Dr. William R. Cotton of the Department of Atmospheric Science at Colorado State University
77. Vincent Courtillot is the director of the Institute de Physique du Globe de Paris, a member of the Academy of Sciences, a geomagnetism scientist, and president of the Geomagnetism and Paleomagnetism Section of the American Geophysical Union
78. Richard S. Courtney, PhD, climate and atmospheric science consultant, IPCC 4
79. Dr. Susan Crockford Evolutionary Biologist and Paleozoologist of University of Victoria in Canada
80. Tim Curtin, Economist a former advisor with the EU, World bank, and an Emeritus Faculty member of Australian National University
81. Grant Dade Texas TV's KLTV, a member of both the American Meteorological Society and the National Weather Association,
82. Joseph D'Aleo served as the first Director of Meteorology at The Weather Channel and was the Chief Meteorologist at Weather Services International Corporation and served as chairman of the American Meteorological Society's (AMS) Committee on Weather Analysis and Forecasting.
83. Dr. Robert E. Davis, a Professor at University of Virginia, a former UN IPCC contributor and past president of the Association of American Geographers
84. Luc Debontridder of the Belgium Weather Institute's Royal Meteorological Institute (RMI) 2
85. David Deming, PhD (Geophysics), Associate Professor, College of Arts and Sciences, University of Oklahoma, U.S. 3
86. Roger Dewhurst, of Katikati, a consulting environmental geologist and hydrogeologist
87. Dipl.-Ing. Peter Dietze, independent energy advisor and scientific climate and carbon modeller, official IPCC reviewer, Bavaria, Germany
88. David Dilley, founder of Global Weather Oscillations, Inc
89. Dr. David Douglass of the University of Rochester
90. Dr. Donald DuBois, who holds a PhD in Philosophy of Science, has spent most of his career modeling computer networks for NASA's International Space Station, GE Space Systems, the Air Force, and the Navy
91. Robert Durrenberger, past president of the American Association of State Climatologists 2
92. Dr. Denis Dutton, Associate Professor of Philosophy at the University of Canterbury in New Zealand and recipient of the New Zealand Royal Society Medal for Services to Science and Technology
93. Freeman J. Dyson, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, N.J., U.S. 3
94. Don J. Easterbrook, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Geology, Western Washington University, U.S. 2
95. Gunter Ederer; The Climate Manifest of Heiligenroth
96. Dr. Michael J. Economides, Professor of Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering at Cullen College of Engineering at University of Houston
97. Bob Edleman, former Chief Engineer of Boeing's Electronic Systems Division
98. Alexander G. Egorov, a researcher with the Arctic and Antarctic Research Institute in Saint Petersburg
99. Werner Eisenkopf; The Climate Manifest of Heiligenroth
100. Dr. Hugh W. Ellsaesser, physicist/meteorologist, previously with the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Calif.; atmospheric consultant.
101. Lance Endersbee, Emeritus Professor, former Dean of Engineering and Pro-Vice Chancellor of Monasy University, Australia 2
102. Gary England, Meteorologist who pioneered the use of Doppler radar weather-forecasting
103. Hans Erren, Doctorandus, geophysicist and climate specialist, Sittard, The Netherlands
104. Robert H. Essenhigh, PhD, E.G. Bailey Professor of Energy Conversion, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University, U.S. 2
105. Christopher Essex, PhD, Professor of Applied Mathematics and Associate Director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario, Canada 3
106. Bill Evans New York's WABC-TV Senior Meteorologist
107. Dr. Cal Evans, Geochemist a prominent researcher who has advised the Alberta Research Council, the Natural Sciences, and Engineering Research Council of Canada, and who is affiliated with the Calgary-based group Friends of Science
108. David Evans, PhD, mathematician, carbon accountant, computer and electrical engineer and head of 'Science Speak', Australia 2
109. Ray Evans, engineer one of the founders of the Australian Lavoisier Group
110. William Evans, PhD, Editor, American Midland Naturalist; Dept. of Biological Sciences, University of Notre Dame, U.S.
111. Dr. John T. Everett, a former National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) administrator and UN IPCC lead author and reviewer
112. Jesse Ferrell of AccuWeather
113. Dr. Wilson Flood, of the Royal Society of Chemistry
114. Frederic Fluteau, a geomagnetism scientist with the Institute de Physique du Globe de Paris **
115. Dr. Michael R. Fox, Nuclear Scientist who holds a PhD in Physical Chemistry and is a science analyst for the Grassroot Institute of Hawaii
116. Dr. Neil Frank, former director of the National Hurricane Center
117. Stewart Franks, PhD, Associate Professor, Hydroclimatologist, University of Newcastle, Australia 2
118. Dr. Oliver W. Frauenfeld, a co-author of the 2005 book Shattered Consensus: The True State of Global Warming and a research scientist at the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences Division of Cryospheric and Polar Processes at the University of Colorado
119. Dr. Chris de Freitas, climate scientist, associate professor, The University of Auckland, N.Z. 2
120. Dr. Eigil Friis-Christensen is the director of the Danish National Space Centre 2
121. Bob Foster, geologist director of the Lavoisier Group in Australia
122. Ivan Frolov, the head of Russia's Science and Research Institute of Arctic and Antarctic Regions
123. Brian Fuchs of the National Drought Mitigation Center at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln
124. Dr. Serge Galam, director of research at the National Center of Scientific Research (CNRS) and member of a laboratory of Ecole Polytechnique
125. Yves Gallet of the Centre de Research at the Restauration des Musées **
126. Edgar Gartner; The Climate Manifest of Heiligenroth
127. R. W. Gauldie, PhD, Research Professor, Hawai'i Institute of Geophysics and Planetology, School of Ocean Earth Sciences and Technology, University of Hawaii at Manoa
128. Bas van Geel, paleo-ecology professor, University of Amsterdam;
129. Lee C. Gerhard, PhD, Senior Scientist Emeritus, University of Kansas; former director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey, U.S. 3
130. Gerhard Gerlich, Professor for Mathematical and Theoretical Physics, Institut für Mathematische Physik der TU Braunschweig, Germany 2
131. Dr. Robert Giegengack the chair of Department of Earth and Environmental Science at the University of Pennsylvania
132. Dr. Jeffrey A. Glassman Applied Physicist and Engineer
133. Albrecht Glatzle, PhD, sc.agr., Agro-Biologist and Gerente ejecutivo, INTTAS, Paraguay
134. Agnes Genevey of the Centre de Research at the Restauration des Musées, **
135. Tony Gilland is the science and society director of the UK based Institute of Ideas
136. Dick Goddard Ohio meteorologists TV
137. Indur M Goklany, Ph.D, who has represented the United States at the International Panel on Climate Change and in the negotiations leading to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change
138. Fred Goldberg, PhD, Adj Professor, Royal Institute of Technology, Mechanical Engineering, Stockholm, Sweden
139. Dr. Mel Goldstein, a PhD Meteorologist on Connecticut's TV News Channel 8
140. Sergei Golubchikov, Vice President of Russia's National Geocryological Foundation
141. Former California State Climatologist Jim Goodridge, a consultant for the California Department of Water Resources
142. Dr. Laurence I. Gould, chair of the Physics Department at the University of Hartford, former chairman of the New England Section of the American Physical Society,
143. Brian van de Graaff Meteorologist TV
144. Vincent Gray, PhD, expert reviewer for the IPCC and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of 'Climate Change 2001,' Wellington, New Zealand 5
145. Dr. William Gray, Emeritus Professor of Atmospheric Science at Colorado State University (CSU), and head of the schools Tropical Meteorology Project 3 From Logical Science but the best is this interview. One of the emeriti
146. Kesten Green of Monash University in Australia whose Energy and Environment paper (you can watch the movie) was torn apart on Real Climate.
147. Dr. Howard Greyber, a Fellow Royal Astronomical Society and member of the International Astronomical Union,
148. Dr. Michael Griffin, the top administrator of NASA and former head of the Space Department at Johns Hopkins University's Applied Physics Laboratory
149. Eugenio Hackbart of the MetSul Meteorologia Weather Center in Sao Leopoldo - Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil 2
150. Dr. Keith D. Hage, climate consultant and professor emeritus of Meteorology, University of Alberta
151. Robert W. Hahn Chemical engineer
152. Jeff Halblaub Senior Meteorologist of WSI Corporation
153. Morten Hald, an Arctic expert at of the University of Tromso in Norway calls for more paleoresearch and gets put on this list.
154. Michael Hammer who works as a research scientist/engineer for a high technology manufacturer and major worldwide exporter based in Australia
155. James Hammond, a councilor for the American Chemical Society's San Gorgonio section
156. Howard Hayden, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of Connecticut, U.S. 3
157. Dr. Peter Harris Australian engineer
158. Ross Hays of NASA's Columbia Scientific Balloon Facility, in Palestine, Texas,
159. Wilfried Heck; The Climate Manifest of Heiligenroth Louis Hissink M.Sc. M.A.I.G., Editor AIG News and Consulting Geologist, Perth, Western Australia
160. David Henderson, a Professor at the Westminster Business School and former Chief economist for the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development
161. Dr. Ben Herman, past director of the Institute of Atmospheric Physics and Head of the Department of Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Arizona,
162. Dr. Martin Hertzberg, a retired Navy meteorologist with a PhD in physical chemistry
163. Dr. Robert Higgs, a Senior Fellow for the Independent Institute and who has been a visiting scholar at Oxford University, Stanford University, and a fellow for the National Science Foundation
164. Heinz Hofman; The Climate Manifest of Heiligenroth
165. Rainer Hoffman; The Climate Manifest of Heiligenroth
166. Ferdinand Furst zu Hohenlohe-Bartenstein; The Climate Manifest of Heiligenroth
167. David Holland is a member of the Institution of Engineering and Technology
168. Art Horn, Meteorologist currently operating The 'Art' Of the Weather business
169. Douglas V. Hoyt, senior scientist at Raytheon (retired) and co-author of the book The Role of the Sun in Climate Change; previously with NCAR, NOAA, and the World Radiation Center, Davos, Switzerland 2
170. Warwick Hughes, a New Zealand earth scientist living in Perth
171. Craig D. Idso, PhD, Chairman, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Arizona, U.S.
172. Keith. Idso, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Arizona, U.S.
173. Sherwood B. Idso, PhD, President, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, AZ, USA
174. Andrei Illarionov, PhD, Senior Fellow, Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity, U.S.; founder and director of the Institute of Economic Analysis, Russia
175. Dr. Olafur Ingolfsson, a professor from the University of Iceland
176. Yury Izrael, the director of Global Climate and Ecology Institute, a member of the Russian Academy of Sciences and UN IPCC Vice President,
177. Dr. Dennis Jensen, Nuclear physicist a PhD-trained scientist and a former researcher for Australia's Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Organization (CSIRO) and the Defence Science and Technology Organization (DSTO),
178. Albert F. Jacobs, co-founder of the group Friends of Science
179. Craig James, Chief Meteorologist of a Michigan NBC TV affiliate
180. Zbigniew Jaworowski, PhD, physicist, Chairman - Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland 4
181. Meteorologist Mark Johnson
182. Jon Jenkins, PhD, MD, computer modelling - virology, Sydney, NSW, Australia
183. Wm. Robert Johnston, Physicist who co-wrote the scientific paper in 2007 "Observations of the Ionospheric Projection of the Plasmapause and Comparisons with Relativistic Electron Measurements" which was submitted to the GRL
184. Hub Jongen, electrical engineer NL
185. Wibjorn Karlen, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden 4
186. Olavi Kärner, Ph.D., Research Associate, Dept. of Atmospheric Physics, Institute of Astrophysics and Atmospheric Physics, Toravere, Estonia
187. Joel M. Kauffman, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemistry, University of the Sciences in Philadelphia, U.S. 2
188. David Kear, PhD, FRSNZ, CMG, geologist, former Director-General of NZ Dept. of Scientific & Industrial Research, New Zealand 2
189. Dr. Kelvin Kemm, formerly a scientist at South Africa's Atomic Energy Corporation 2
190. Douglas J. Keenan, a former Morgan Stanley employee and current independent mathematical researcher
191. Aynsley Kellow of the University of Tasmania IPCC Contributing author
192. John Kettley, formerly of the Met Office and the Fluid Dynamics Department at the Bracknell headquarters. Another TV Weather Guy (BBC), worked at the Met Office in the 1970s references that he graduated from something or other but no degrees listed on his web site. Specializes in racecourse and sports event forecasts
193. Madhav Khandekar, PhD, former Research Scientist Environment Canada; Editor "Climate Research" (03-05); Editorial Board Member "Natural Hazards, IPCC Expert Reviewer 2007 4
194. L.F. Khilyuk of the University of Southern California
195. William Kininmonth M.Sc., M.Admin., former head of Australia's National Climate Centre and a consultant to the World Meteorological organization's Commission for Climatology 4
196. Jasper Kirkby, a research scientist at CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research,
197. Paul Knight Penn State Climatologist **
198. Dr. James P. Koermer, a Professor of Meteorology and the director of the Meteorological Institute at Plymouth State University
199. Jan J.H. Kop, M.Sc. Ceng FICE (Civil Engineer Fellow of the Institution of Civil Engineers), Emeritus Professor of Public Health Engineering, Technical University Delft, The Netherlands
200. Professor R.W.J. Kouffeld, Emeritus Professor, Energy Conversion, Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands 2
201. Dieter Kramer; The Climate Manifest of Heiligenroth
202. Dr. Gerhard Kramm of the Geophysical Institute at the University of Alaska Fairbanks
203. Salomon Kroonenberg, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Geotechnology, Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands
204. Dr. George Kukla, a research scientist with the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University 2
205. Ray Kurzweil, Legendary inventor**
206. Dr. A.T.J. de Laat, who specialized in atmospheric composition and climate research at the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute
207. Hans H.J. Labohm, PhD, economist, former advisor to the executive board, Clingendael Institute (The Netherlands Institute of International Relations) looks to have been visiting fellow, has books on poli sci, The Netherlands 3, Desmogblog has some info, allied to the Tom Harris/Tim Ball NSRP.
208. Dr. Christopher W. Landsea NOAA's National Hurricane Center who served as a UN IPCC
209. Willem de Lange, PhD, Dept. of Earth and Ocean Sciences, School of Science and Engineering, Waikato University, New Zealand 2
210. Dr. Thomas Lavin Biochemistry researcher
211. The Rt. Hon. Lord Lawson of Blaby, economist; Chairman of the Central Europe Trust; former Chancellor of the Exchequer, U.K.
212. Douglas Leahey, PhD, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary, Canada 2
213. David R. Legates, PhD, Director, Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware, U.S. 2
214. Arthur E. Lemay, a renowned computer systems specialist, Harvard educated
215. Yury Leonov, director of the Institute of Geology at the Russian Academy of Sciences,
216. Nikolaus Lentz; The Climate Manifest of Heiligenroth
217. Marcel Leroux, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Climatology, University of Lyon, France; former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, CNRS 4
218. Bryan Leyland, International Climate Science Coalition, consultant - power engineer, Auckland, New Zealand 2
219. William Lindqvist, PhD, consulting geologist and company director, Tiburon, California, U.S.
220. Richard S. Lindzen, PhD, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Dept. of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, U.S. 3 From Logical Science and oh yes, here is a goody about how far you can trust Dick.
221. Martin Livermore, Chemist director of the Scientific Alliance
222. Dr. Bjorn Lomborg, author of "The Skeptical Environmentalist" and professor at the Copenhagen Business School. More from Logical Science with links. Eli especially likes Simon Donner's comment "Climate change “skepticism” began with an industry-funded effort to question the science. It has since morphed into questioning whether the effects of climate change would really be so bad, a move I call the Smiling Lomborg."
223. A.J. Tom van Loon, PhD, Professor of Geology (Quaternary Geology), Adam Mickiewicz University, Poznan, Poland; former President of the European Association of Science Editors
224. John Loufman Ohio meteorologists TV
225. Jonathan Lowe, who specializes in statistical analysis of climate change and holds masters in science, is currently working on his PhD
226. Anthony R. Lupo, PhD, Associate Professor of Atmospheric Science, Dept. of Soil, Environmental, and Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri-Columbia, U.S. 2
227. Richard Mackey, PhD, Statistician, Australia
228. Horst Malberg, PhD, Professor for Meteorology and Climatology, Institut für Meteorologie, Berlin, Germany
229. Rob Marciano CNN Meteorologist
230. Dr. Richard Mackey Statistician authored a 2007 peer-reviewed study which found that the solar system regulates the earth's climate. The paper was published August 17, 2007 in the Journal of Coastal Research
231. Dr. Jennifer Marohasy, Biologist who has been a field biologist in remote parts of Africa and Madagascar and published in international and Australian scientific journals
232. Nigel Marven UK wildlife documentary maker
233. Augusto Mangini of the University of Heidelberg in Germany 2
234. Galina Mashnich of the Institute of Solar-Terrestrial Physics of the Siberian Division of the Russian Academy of Sciences,
235. Prof. Francis Massen of the Physics Laboratory in Luxemburg and the leader of a meteorological station
236. John Maunder, PhD, Climatologist, former President of the Commission for Climatology of the World Meteorological Organization (89-97), New Zealand 2
237. Alister McFarquhar, PhD, international economist, Downing College, Cambridge, U.K. 2
238. Peter McGurk, Senior Meteorologist with WSI Corporation, a provider of weather-driven business solutions to such clients as CNN, FOX, NBC, American Airlines, Delta, and FedEX
239. Ross McKitrick, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Economics, University of Guelph, Canada 4
240. Stephen McIntyre of ClimateAudit.org
241. John McLean, Climate Data Analyst, computer scientist, Melbourne, Australia 3
242. Owen McShane, B. Arch., Master of City and Regional Planning (UC Berkeley), economist and policy analyst, joint founder of the International Climate Science Coalition, Director - Centre for Resource Management Studies, New Zealand 2
243. Bill Meck, Chief Meteorologist for an NBC affiliate
244. Rob Melon, professor of molecular recognition, Utrecht University NL
245. Dr. D. Bruce Merrifield is a former Undersecretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs, Professor Emeritus of the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania, and a member of the Visiting Committee for Physical Sciences at the University of Chicago
246. Dr. Alwyn van der Merwe Chemical engineer CoA
247. Fred Michel, PhD, Director, Institute of Environmental Sciences and Associate Professor of Earth Sciences, Carleton University, Canada 3
248. Dr. Patrick J. Michaels, research professor of environmental sciences, University of Virginia 2 Bunch of links and stuff from Logical Science and Eli refers you to Pat's real opinion
249. Dr. Daniel W. Miles, a former professor of physics who earned his PhD from the University of Utah
250. Frank Milne, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Economics, Queen's University, Canada, signed on to the letter to the Secretary General. Link from Globalization and the Environment
251. Asmunn Moene, PhD, former head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Norway 2
252. Professor Vivian Moses of King's College and University College in London SA
253. Alan Moghissi of the Institute for Regulatory Science
254. H. Michael Mogil, a 30-year veteran of NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration), who is certified by the American Metrological Society and currently owns the "How the Weatherworks" consulting firm,
255. Des Moore, former deputy secretary of the federal Treasury in Australia and current director of the Institute for Private Enterprise
256. Alan Moran, PhD, Energy Economist, Director of the IPA's Deregulation Unit, Australia. Link from Globalization and the Environment Take a look at how on earth did Alan Moran get a Ph.D. in public transport economics
257. Lord Christopher Monckton, the Viscount Monckton of Brenchley
258. Sir Patrick Moore, a fellow of the UK's Royal Astronomical Society
259. Dr. Patrick Moore, a Greenpeace founding member
260. Dr. Thomas Gale Moore is a former professor at Michigan State University, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institute
261. Dr./Cdr. M. R. Morgan, FRMS, climate consultant, former meteorology advisor to the World Meteorological Organization. Previously research scientist in climatology at University of Exeter, U.K.
262. Dr. Dick Morgan, former director of Canada's Met/Oceano Policy and Plans, a marine meteorologist and a climate researcher at both Exeter University and the Bedford Institute of Oceanography
263. Lubos Motl, PhD, physicist, former Harvard string theorist, Charles University, Prague, Czech Republic 2
264. Louis Le Mouël of the Institute de Physique du Globe de Paris
265. Jan Mulderink, a chemical engineer, former research director AKZO Arnhem NL
266. Dr. Tad Murty, former senior research scientist, Dept. of Fisheries and Oceans, former director of Australia's National Tidal Facility and professor of earth sciences, Flinders University, Adelaide; currently adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa 2
267. John Nicol, PhD, physicist, James Cook University, Australia
268. David Noble of Canada's York University
269. Mark Nolan Meteorologist TV
270. Gary Novak Microbiologist
271. Mr. David Nowell, M.Sc., Fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society, former chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa, Canada 2
272. James J. O'Brien, PhD, Professor Emeritus, Meteorology and Oceanography, Florida State University, U.S. 3
273. Professor Emeritus Peter R Odell of International Energy Studies at the University of Rotterdam
274. Cliff Ollier, PhD, Professor Emeritus (Geology), Research Fellow, University of Western Australia 2
275. David Orrell Mathematician
276. Nikolai Osokin of the Institute of Geography and member of the Russian Academy of Sciences
277. Jim Ott, Meteorologist formerly of WTMJ-TV in Wisconsin
278. Dr. Norman J. Page a retired independent geological consultant, rejected climate fears
279. Dr. Nathan Paldor, Professor of Dynamical Meteorology and Physical Oceanography at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem 2
280. Morgan Meteorologist Palmer of Texas TV's KLTV
281. Garth W. Paltridge, PhD, atmospheric physicist, Emeritus Professor and former Director of the Institute of Antarctic and Southern Ocean Studies, University of Tasmania, Australia 2
282. R. Timothy Patterson, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology), Carleton University, Canada 4
283. Dr Benny Peiser, professor of social anthropology, Faculty of Science, Liverpool John Moores University, U.K. 2 Got famous by being wrong
284. Al Pekarek, PhD, Associate Professor of Geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, Minnesota, U.S. 3
285. Dr. Roger Pielke, Sr., presently senior scientist at the University of Colorado in Boulder
286. Ian Plimer, PhD, Professor of Geology, School of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Adelaide and Emeritus Professor of Earth Sciences, University of Melbourne, Australia 4
287. Brian Pratt, PhD, Professor of Geology, Sedimentology, University of Saskatchewan, Canada 2
288. Harry N.A. Priem, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Planetary Geology and Isotope Geophysics, Utrecht University; former director of the Netherlands Institute for Isotope Geosciences 3
289. Gwyn Prins of the London School of Economics ** Eco
290. Dr. Andreas Prokoph, adjunct professor of earth sciences, University of Ottawa; consultant in statistics and geology
291. Dr. Tom Quirk, a former University lecturer, fellow of three Oxford Colleges, and a board member of the Australian based Institute of Public Affairs
292. B.P. Radhakrishna, President of the Geological Society of India, 2
293. VK Raina, India's leading Glaciologist
294. Dr. Denis G. Rancourt, Professor of Physics and an Environmental Science researcher at the University of Ottawa,
295. Steve Rayner of Oxford ** Eco
296. Bernie Rayno, Senior Meteorologist with AccuWeather
297. Josef Reichholf, who heads the Vertebrates Department at the National Zoological Collection in Munich
298. William E. Reifsnyder Meteorologist Forestry
299. Dr. Paul Reiter, professor, Institut Pasteur, Unit of Insects and Infectious Diseases, Paris, France. Expert reviewer, IPCC Working group II, chapter 8 (human health) 2
300. Dr. Renato Angelo Ricci, emeritus professor of physics at the University of Padua
301. Dr. Peter Ridd, a Reader in Physics at James Cook University in Australia who specializes in Marine Physics and who is also a scientific adviser to the Australian Environment Foundation
302. Rolf Riehm engineer
303. Thomas Ring, Chemical Engineer who has a degree from Case Western Reserve University, 2. Wrote a letter to the editor is about it. Link from Andy Dessler
304. Dr. Art Robinson, founder, Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, Cave Junction, Ore. 2
305. Alex Robson, PhD, Economics, Australian National University 2. Link from Globalization and the Environment
306. Erich Roeckner of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology **
307. Colonel F.P.M. Rombouts, Branch Chief - Safety, Quality and Environment, Royal Netherlands Air Force
308. R.G. Roper, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Atmospheric Sciences, School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, Georgia Institute of Technology, U.S.
309. Rob Roseman of Colorado, who earned a Masters degree in Meteorology
310. Arthur Rorsch, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Molecular Genetics, Leiden University, The Netherlands 2
311. Dr. Hugh Ross, who has conducted research on quasars and galaxies
312. Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, principal consultant, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, B.C., Canada 2.
313. Arthur T. "Terry" Safford III, Meteorologist a retired Lt Col. of the U.S. Air Force
314. Gabriel Salas, Geologist who leads a UN High Commission for Refugees funded team
315. Jeffrey P. Schaffer, now a professor at the Department of Science & Mathematics at Napa Valley College in California
316. Tom Scheffelin, Air resources engineer who estimates on-road vehicle emissions for the California Air Resources Board,
317. Dr. Chris Schoneveld, a retired exploration geophysicist
318. Hans Schreuder Analytical chemist
319. Mark Scirto Chief Meteorologist of Texas TV's KLTV,
320. Joel Schwartz, who holds a master's degree in planetary science from the California Institute of Technology A merican Enterprise Institute's (AEI)
321. Stephen Schwartz of Brookhaven National Lab **
322. Bruce Schwoegler, former U.S. Navy meteorologist and Boston broadcast meteorologist
323. Peter Sciaky who has served as a chief geologist for companies and written scientific reports
324. Olaf Schuiling, Geochemistry professor, University of Utrech
325. Tom V. Segalstad, PhD, (Geology/Geochemistry), Head of the Geological Museum and Associate Professor of Resource and Environmental Geology, University of Oslo, Norway 3
326. Dr. Vladimir Shaidurov of the Russian Academy of Sciences
327. Gary D. Sharp, PhD, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, CA, U.S. 3
328. Dr. Nir Shaviv, one of Israel's top, young, award-winning scientists
329. Glen Shaw, a Professor of Physics at the Geophysical Institute at the University of Alaska Fairbanks
330. Dr. Thomas P. Sheahen, an MIT educated physicist, author
331. Clinton H. Sheehan of Ouachita Baptist University in Arkansas
332. Gary Shore Iowa Meteorologists TV
333. C. Robert Shoup Geologist authored a summer 2007 scientific study for the American Association of Petroleum Geologists
334. Alan Siddons former radioactive chemist !!!
335. Paavo Siitam, M.Sc., agronomist, chemist, Cobourg, Ont. 2
336. S. Fred Singer, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia and former director, U.S. Weather Satellite Service 4
337. Dr. Rainer Six; The Climate Manifest of Heiligenroth
338. George E. Smith, a member of the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the American Institute of Physics
339. Lenny Smith of the London School of Economics, who co-authored a study on the uncertainties of climate models for the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research in Oxford
340. L. Graham Smith, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Geography, University of Western Ontario, Canada 2
341. Dr. Joe Sobel of Accuweather, winner of the American Meteorological Society 2005 Award for Broadcaster of the Year
342. Dr. Willie Soon Harvard-Smithsonian Center Astrophysicist. A member of the comedy team of Soon and Baliunas from Logical Science. He got $60K for his part in the Oregon Deception Project
343. Dr. Oleg Sorochtin of the Institute of Oceanology at the Russian Academy of Sciences 2
344. James Spann Meteorologist of Alabama ABC TV
345. Roy W. Spencer, PhD, climatologist, Principal Research Scientist, Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville, U.S. 3
346. Chief Meteorologist Karl Spring of Duluth, Minnesota, who is certified by both the American Meteorological Society and the National Weather Association
347. Dr. Walter Starck Australian marine scientist
348. Don Stewart, Former New Zealand Science Ministry analyst a UK-based researcher in geological and biological history
349. Peter Stilbs, TeknD, Professor of Physical Chemistry, Research Leader, School of Chemical Science and Engineering, KTH (Royal Institute of Technology), Stockholm, Sweden
350. Bill Steffen Meteorologist of Grand Rapids, Michigan
351. Herb Stevens, Meteorologist one of the original meteorologists at The Weather Channel
352. Dr. Hans von Storch, the Director of Institute for Coastal Research of the GKSS Research Centre, a professor at the Meteorological Institute of the University of Hamburg **
353. Philip Stott of the University of London
354. Henrik Svensmark Danish National Space Centre 2
355. Dr. Gordon E. Swaters, professor of applied mathematics, Dept. of Mathematical Sciences, and member, Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Research Group, University of Alberta
356. Dr. Elwynn Taylor, Professor of Meteorology at Iowa State University and a former project scientist with the National Aeronautics and Space Administratio**
357. Mr. George Taylor, Dept. of Meteorology, Oregon State University; Oregon State climatologist; past president, American Association of State Climatologists 3
358. Dr. Mitchell Taylor, the director of wildlife research with the Arctic government of Nunavut,
359. Uwe Tempel; The Climate Manifest of Heiligenroth
360. Hendrik Tennekes, PhD, former Director of Research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute 3
361. Heinze Thieme. The Climate Manifest of Heiligenroth
362. Dick Thoenes, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemical Engineering, Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands 2
363. Tim Thornton, who holds degrees in Meteorology and Computer Science, publishes the website "The Global Warming Heretic.
364. Alan Titchmarch, Horticulturalist a prominent naturalist who hosts the popular "The Nature of Britain" program on the BBC,
365. Dr. Richard Tol, the director of the Centre for Marine and Atmospheric Science, and a prominent economist with Hamburg University in Germany ** Tol makes the point in the comments that his argument is with Stern's analysis of the costs of climate change not with the IPCC description of that change and the nature of the problems
366. Professor Anthony Trewavas of the Institute of Molecular Plant Sciences at the University of Edinburgh SA
367. Dr. Ralf D. Tscheuschner
368. Kyly Underwood Meteorologist Duluth
369. Anton Uriarte, a professor of Physical Geography at the University of the Basque Country in Spain 2
370. Brian G Valentine, PhD, PE (Chem.), Technology Manager - Industrial Energy Efficiency, Adjunct Associate Professor of Engineering Science, University of Maryland at College Park; Dept of Energy, Washington, DC, U.S. 2
371. Dr. G. Cornelis van Kooten, professor and Canada Research Chair in environmental studies and climate change, Dept. of Economics, University of Victoria
372. Gerrit J. van der Lingen, PhD, geologist and paleoclimatologist, climate change consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand 3
373. Dr. Jan Veizer, professor emeritus of University of Ottawa
374. Dr. Chris Walcek is a professor at the University at Albany in NY and a Senior Research Associate at the Atmospheric Sciences Research Center
375. George Waldenberger Iowa Meteorologists
376. Len Walker, PhD, power engineering, Pict Energy, Melbourne, Australia
377. Dr. James Wanliss of Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, who received a prestigious award from National Science Foundation in 2004
378. Dr. Fred Ward, who earned his PhD in Meteorology from MIT and is a former meteorologist for Boston TV
379. Kenneth E. F. Watt Zoologist
380. Anthony Watts, former meteorologist for KHSL-TV, a CBS-TV affiliate
381. Dr. Charles Wax of Mississippi State University and past president of the American Association of State Climatologists
382. Dan Webster, Ohio meteorologists
383. Edward J. Wegman, Bernard J. Dunn Professor, Department of Statistics and Department Computational and Data Sciences, George Mason University, Virginia, U.S. 2
384. Dr. David Whitehouse, UK Astronomer
385. Chuck Wiese Meteorologist
386. Professor William Wilkinson, who was the former deputy chief executive of British Nuclear Fuels SA
387. Stephan Wilksch, PhD, Professor for Innovation and Technology Management, Production Management and Logistics, University of Technology and Economics Berlin, Germany
388. Nico Willemse engineer CoA
389. Kevin Williams Meteorologist of the New York based WEATHER-TRACK and Chief Meteorologist at WHEC-TV in Rochester
390. Dr. Richard C. Willson of Columbia University's Center for Climate Systems Research
391. Dr. Ian Wilson of the University of Southern Queensland, Australia, specializes in statistical analysis and astrophysics research, and was a former operations astronomer at the Hubble Space Telescope Institute in Baltimore, MD
392. Dr. Duncan Wingham, Professor of Climate Physics at University College London and Director of the Centre for Polar Observation and Modeling, has presented evidence that Antarctic ice is growing. **
393. Boris Winterhalter, PhD, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland, former professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, Finland 4
394. Bruno Wiskel Geologist of the University of Alberta, teaches extension courses at the Botanical Garden. There is also a Dr. Barry Wiskel who is staff in Materials Science
395. Sylvan H. Wittwer of the Michigan State University
396. David E. Wojick, PhD, P.Eng., UN IPCC Expert Reviewer, energy consultant, Virginia, U.S. 4
397. Jan Pieter van Wolfswinkel, a retired mechanical engineering professor, TU Delft
398. James Woudhuysen, a professor of Forecasting and Innovation at De Montfort University in Britain
399. Raphael Wust, PhD, Lecturer, Marine Geology/Sedimentology, James Cook University, Australia
400. Sun Xian Chinese study
401. Yury Zaitsev, an analyst with Russia's Institute of Space Studies
402. Lev Zeleny, director of the Institute of Space Research at the Russian Academy of Sciences and an Academy corresponding member
403. Lin Zhen-Shan Chinese study
404. Dr. Antonio Zichichi, president of the World Federation of Scientists and a retired Professor of Advanced Physics at the University of Bologna in Italy, 4
405. Dr. Jeff Zweerink of the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA)

Saturday, December 22, 2007

OISM's Baby UPDATE: Entire alphabetized list now available at Rabett Run

Back in the good old days, OISM had a petition centered around a misleading fake paper authored by Eli's friends Robinson, Baliunas and Soon and fronted by Fred Seitz. They brought in ~17000 suckers among which were

2660 Physicists, Geophysicists, Climatologists, Meteorologists, Oceanographers, and Evironmental Scientists Signers

which in the telling became 2660 climate scientists. Only problem was that most of these innocents, were that, an amalgamation of condensed matter, nuclear and theoretical physicists with only a handful of real climate scientists, among which were the usual suspects. That petition had about as much climtological and related expertise as what you can get on the street for signers against nuclear energy. Lots of media got sucked in before it became clear that what you had was a disinformation campaign funded through the Marshall Institute.

Friday, Mark Morano, James Inofe's climate incubus brought us


and the usual main stream media got sucked in. Of course, just looking at the list tells you that there was something fishy going on as Joe Romm points out on Grist. Eli being a RTFR kind of guy wanted to see who the 400 are, so he had the lab bunnies make a little list by reading through Morano's opus. And sure enough there were the usual suspects, but the denialist bench is thin as Andy Dessler pointed out recently, and Eli had done a few years ago.

But were there 400?

Well yes, 405, by Bunny Labs count after we ditched the duplicates, of which ~45 were TV weather heads so that leaves 360 or so. The list is undergoing further analysis, which will be completed as soon as we stop laughing

UPDATE: The 400 Weather Channel -
  1. Alexandre Aguiar Meteorologist of Brazil's MetSul Weather Center
  2. David Aldrich Meteorologist TV Fox 29 Philadelphia PA
  3. Chris Allen Meteorologist Kentucky Fox affiliate WBKO
  4. Steve Baskerville Meteorologist CBS Chicago affiliate WBBM-TV
  5. Joe Bastardi Meteorologist AccuWeather
  6. Justin Berk Meteorologist WMAR Channel 2 in Baltimore
  7. Sally Bernier Meteorologist of WJW-TV, in Cleveland, OH
  8. Bob Breck Meteorologist of WVUE-TV in New Orlean LA
  9. Tom Chisholm Meteorologist of WMTW ABC Portland ME
  10. John Coleman, Meteorologist Founder of The Weather Channel
  11. Larry Cosgrove Meteorologist WeatherAmerica formerly of WSYX Columbus OH
  12. Joseph D'Aleo Meteorologist Weather Channel Weather Service International
  13. Gary England, Meteorologist KWTV Channel 9, the CBS affiliate in Oklahoma City, OK
  14. Bill Evans Meteorologist WABC-TV New York NY
  15. Jesse Ferrell Meteorologist AccuWeather
  16. Dick Goddard Meteorologist WJW Cleveland OH
  17. Dr. Mel Goldstein, Meteorologist Connecticut's TV News Channel 8
  18. Brian van de Graaff Meteorologist WJLA Channel 7 Washington, DC
  19. Jeff Halblaub Meteorologist of Weather Service International Corporation
  20. Art Horn, Meteorologist currently operating The ‘Art' Of the Weather business
  21. Craig James, Meteorologist WOOD Grand Rapids MI NBC TV affiliate
  22. Mark Johnson, Meteorologist WEWS Cleveland, OH
  23. John Loufman, Meteorologist WOIO Cleveland OH
  24. Rob Marciano, CNN Meteorologist CNN
  25. Peter McGurk, Meteorologist Weather Service International Corporation, a provider of weather-driven business solutions to such clients as CNN, FOX, NBC, American Airlines, Delta, and FedEX
  26. Bill Meck, Meteorologist LEX18 Lexington KY NBC affiliate
  27. Mark Nolan Meteorologist TV
  28. Jim Ott, Meteorologist formerly of WTMJ-TV in Wisconsin
  29. Morgan Palmer of Texas TV's KLTV
  30. Bernie Rayno, Meteorologist with AccuWeather
  31. Mark Scirto Meteorologist of Texas TV's KLTV
  32. Bruce Schwoegler, Boston broadcast meteorologist WBZ
  33. Gary Shore Meteorologist KCAU-TV Sioux City, Iowa
  34. Dr. Joe Soebel Meteorologist Accuweather
  35. James Spann Meteorologist of WABC 33/40 Birmingham AL
  36. Karl Spring, Meteorologist KBJR-TV Duluth, MN
  37. Bill Steffen Meteorologist WOOD TVof Grand Rapids, MI
  38. Herb Stevens, Meteorologist WNYT TV Albany, NY
  39. Kyly Underwood Meteorologist KBJR-TV Duluth MN
  40. George Waldenberger Meteorologists KJRH TV Tulsa OK
  41. Dr. Fred Ward, Meteorologist (former)WNAC-TV TV
  42. Anthony WattsMeteorologist (former) for KHSL-TV, a CBS-TV affiliate
  43. Dan Webster, Ohio meteorologists
  44. Chuck Wiese Meteorologist (former) KOIN TV Portland OR
  45. Kevin Williams Meteorologist WHEC-TV Rochester NY
  46. Joseph Conklin Meteorologist website climate police
UPDATE: Added 3 names from AccuWeather ear tip to Steve Bloom

Were there surprises? Well yes our friend Richard Courtney apparently has been signing himself as Dr. Richard, and even Richard Courtney, Ph.D. on letters to various important Canadian PMs. and UN Secretary Generals. Stoat in discussing the official nutters list mentioned that the rumor was that Courtney was skating about on his qualifications. Eli has located them (page 17)
Richard is also an Accredited Methodist Preacher. He is a founding Member of the Christ and the Cosmos Initiative that explores the interactions of religious and scientific ideas. The Initiative started in the UK but became active in 28 countries.

Richard avoids confusion about him in his scientific and religious activities by rarely citing his academic achievements, but his material science qualifications include a DipPhil (Cambridge), a BA (Open) and a Diploma (Bath).
A DipPhil is not a Doctor of Philosopy, but a Diploma in Philosophy. The University of Cambridge offers one year postgraduate courses leading to Diplomas, but not in Philosophy, at least not now. We could speculate further, but as Desmogblog put it with their usual delicacy
But Richard Courtney is hardly a source to be taken seriously. In fact, there is every reason to believe that if he has a Ph.D. at all, he got it out of a box of cracker jacks.
However, Richard has managed to get himself as an expert witness in front of a House of Commons Select Committee on Energy and also the House of Lords Select Committee on the Environment. Tim Ball is jealous.

Tuesday, December 18, 2007

What really happened in Bali

Andy Revkin has a number of letters from folk who were at Bali, and they are all interesting, but Eli would like to point you to two of them. The first (actually the fourth), and most informative, is from Peter Riggs, a trade policy expert, and has much of the detail about the negotiations missing in media reports. Let Eli whet your appetite

The first intervention in the Plenary dealing with Item 4 came from China. It was a ‘point of order.’ And while phrased diplomatically, it was basically a scathing attack on the way that the morning’s plenary process had unfolded, convening at a time when the G-77+China were still discussing alternative text elsewhere. On the dais (and projected onto the two acre-sized screens arrayed at the front of the hall) were Minister Witoelar and Yvo de Boer, puffy-eyed and exhausted. It fell to de Boer to answer, and twice during his short reply he had to stop to compose himself. Not out of anger, but from sheer exhaustion and frustration. He was trying not to burst into tears. He replied to the Chinese that he simply hadn’t been aware that the G-77 was still discussing Agenda Item 4 in side-meetings when the plenary had reconvened. His voiced drained out of him, and suddenly he got up and simply walked out of the hall, trailing a couple of very surprised aides. (Having composed himself—or possibly having laid down for a twenty-minute nap—he later reentered the hall and took his seat.)

And then the moment of truth: India presented the alternative text from the G-77+China. The essential point about this alternative text is that it takes into account “differences in national circumstances” amongst developing countries—that is, not just in relation to Annex I, but in relation to each other—but without the binding reduction commitments that the U.S. had sought from countries like India and China. From the developing world, this was seen as a compromise that indeed not all developing countries could be treated equally—the bigger emerging economies might have to do more—but it preserved flexibilities for them to pursue those commitments at a time to be worked out later—thus, the “Bali Road Map” over the next two years.

The other letter that caught Eli's attention was actually the first, from Thomas Goreau, a delegate representing a number of actors, including the
Delegations of Jamaica (my home island and a member state of the UN) , and of the Caribbean Community Climate Change Center (an Intergovernmental Organization representing almost all Caribbean states), while also representing the United Nations Commission on Sustainable Development Partnership in New Technologies for Small Island Developing States (as Coordinator of the Partnership), the Global Coral Reef Alliance (an international NGO), and Yayasan Karang Lestari (Protected Coral Foundation, an Indonesian NGO that runs the world’s largest coral reef restoration project).
Goreau's letter is a white hot indictment, the temperate conclusion of which you can read below

That China and India, with their thousands of years of advanced civilization and science, should have fallen for this instead of leading the way towards cleaner sustainable development paths, is truly sad. And by placing their short sighted greed, ignorance, and stupidity first, the unholy polluting coalition of oil producers and coal burners has told the world that they don’t care who else they hurt by continuing their dirty addiction, killing reefs and drowning islands and coasts, and imperiling millions in poor countries.

Even worse, they have shown that they do not care for the rights of future generations, not even of their own people. That is why this shameful agreement is a capital crime against the environment that must be undone as soon as the Bush regime leaves office.

Eli favors those who speak their mind.

Monday, December 17, 2007

Where's the bellhop with the ice?


Cryosphere Today is having some problems, but we can look at the satellite images. December 1980 was pretty close to zero anomaly, today, we are still negative. Stoat may be on very thin ice.

UPDATE: Steve Sadov thinks there has been a major freeze up. The ice cover is still much behind normal in the Northern Pacific and Atlantic. You're on thin ice there Steve.



Also they cryosphere today has had a major meltdown and the time series graphs are currently wrong because of corrupted data. They say this will be fixed in about a week. Happy New Year to the UIUC crew who maintain an excellent site for the rest of us and hopefully they will take time out to celebrate Christmas.
UPDATE: Dearest Timo (see the comments), cryosphere today simply says on the web-page from which these figures are taken:

Historic snow cover data not displayed on these images. Snow cover data is displayed only for most recent dates.

they appear to have started to include the snow cover sometime in 2005.

Sunday, December 16, 2007

Censoring Science

is a new book by Mark Bowen on la Affair Deutsch/Hansen and other follies. Bowen, clearly has talked directly to Hansen. In addition to the usual Barnes and Noble and Amazon pages, there is a rather long review at DailyKos, with an interesting tidbit

"Consider if you will the New Horizons mission to Pluto. It has zero to do with climate change. But the probe carries a nuclear power supply, meaning it cannot launch without an executive order for national security reasons. All an unscrupulous administration need do then, to sow doubt and bitter division against the scientists and staff studying earth’s climate within the broader NASA organization, is imply through unofficial, unwritten backchannels that that order will never come, until certain researchers play ball."

Saturday, December 15, 2007

Eli Rabett's Simple Plan to Save the World

The UN Framework Convention on Climate Change process requires cooperation by all parties. While the Bush administration was not able to derail the process at Bali, it was only stopped when the EU said it would not participate in next months planned Hawaii climate charade if there were no progress at Bali. The weakened worldwide position of the US, economically, politically and militarily diminishes the ability of any US government to get its way, but rapid progress may require another path.

The immediate problem is how to take global action that does not require global agreement, but only agreement among a few important and willing actors, which rewards early adapters and does not allow the unwilling to block action. The mechanism needs to be immune to off shoring, and be neutral between domestic and foreign producers. Eli believes that carbon trading proposals are aimed in the wrong direction. Rabett's Simple Plan for Saving the World has the potential of meeting these requirements. It differs from any of the other proposals that I have seen in those ways.

UPDATES: in italic Eli slept well and the good eco faries visited his dreams also Bellette (see comments)

Nations wishing to make major progress on decreasing greenhouse gas emissions should introduce emission taxes on all products. These taxes should be levied on imports as well as domestic goods at the point of sale, and should displace other taxes, such as VAT, sales taxes, and payroll (e.g. social security, health care) in such a way that tax revenues are constant, and distributed equitably.

These should be introduced as an Emissions Added Levy (avoiding the bad jokes). EAL would be imposed on sale for emissions added in the preceding step and inherent to the consumption of the product, as would be the case for heating oil and gasoline. Manufacturers would pay the EAL on electricity they bought, and incorporate this and the levy on emissions they created into the price of the product they sell.

Imports from countries that do not have an EAL would have the full EAL imposed at the time of import. The base rate would be generic EALs based on worst previous practices in the countries that do have EALs, which would be reduced on presenting proof that the actual emissions were lower.

All countries with EAL systems would reserve a portion (say 5%) for assisting developing countries with adaptations (why not use acclimations?) and mitigating programs.

By basing the levy on emissions rather than carbon all greenhouse gases stand on a common level, sequestration is strongly encouraged as well as such simple things as capturing methane from oil wells and garbage dumps (that gets built into the cost of disposal). The multipliers would come from CO2 equivalents on a 10 year basis.

The process can be effective without across the board agreement which means the ability of countries such as the US to bargain the process down is decreased. Further, early adopters will control the process and establish the base rates in concert. Imagine a world wide EAL system controlled by the early adapters market denominated in yen or euro. The effect will advantage them their currencies in the same was as the oil market being denominated in $ has benefitted the dollar.

If large enough chunks of the world economy, for example, the EU and Japan adopt this, manufacturers world wide have to follow across the board no matter where they are. There are not going to be separate lines to produce whatever for North America and Europe in China. And yes, as in all things there would be some gaming of the system. It’s the price you pay for lawyers and economists.

See, told you it was simple.

Slouching from Gomorrah

Bali, as Kyoto before it was about establishing a position from which the world could negotiate about meeting the climate change challenge. The necessity of emerging with an agreement meant that the principles each had a blocking power. In such a situation you only get a major step forward if each wants something that the others can accept. This was not the case, because as Al Gore presciently said in his speech preceding the final negotiations by days

I am not an official of the United States and I am not bound by the diplomatic niceties. So I am going to speak an inconvenient truth. My own country, the United States, is principally responsible for obstructing progress here in Bali. We all know that, but my country is not the only one that can take steps to ensure that we move forward from Bali with progress and with hope.

Those of you who applauded when I spoke openly about the diplomatic truth here have a choice to make. You can do one of two things here. You can feel anger and frustration and direct it at the United States of America, or you can make a second choice. You can decide to move forward and do all of the difficult work that needs to be done and save an open, large, blank space in your document, and put a footnote by it, and when you look at the footnote, write the description of the footnote: This document is incomplete, but we are going to move forward anyway, on the hope, and I'm going to describe for you why I think you can also have the realistic expectation, that that blank will be filled in.

This is the beginning of a process that is designed to culminate in Copenhagen two years from now. Over the next two years the United States is going to be somewhere it is not now. You must anticipate that.

Eli is not happy that his country is behaving badly. The opprobrium the US government representative received was well deserved, and we, especially those who live in the US, must work towards the goals that Gore set forth.

At Bali, with the exception of the US, the world came together. The current US administration was isolated and forced to accept an outcome which can allow progress. Much to do in the next year. John McCain and all of the Democratic candidates clearly would allow the Bali process to go forward.

Read or listen to Gore's speech. Andrew Light's comments at Grist are worthwhile